46. Let's Prepare for Peace with Brooke Walker
What are you preparing for right now? A trip? Dinner? Getting your crew ready to go back to school? Well, in this episode, we’re talking about how to prepare for something a whole lot more fun. We’re talking about how you can prepare spiritually and physically to receive more peace.
"One of our Heavenly Father's shining characteristics is that He is a peacemaker." —Brooke Walker
Discussing three ways to prepare for peace is today's guest Brooke Walker. Brooke is the host of Family Rules on BYUtv and if you live in Utah, you know her as the host of Studio 5.
Brooke shares how there are physical and spiritual ways to prepare yourself for peace. Her three ways are
Read the book
Physical action: We have to do the work! No shortcuts, no hacks. Lean in. Embrace the effort. Celebrate the effort!
Spiritual action: Literal meaning of the phrase here, we need to be in the scriptures.
Carve out white space
Physical action: When our physical surroundings reflect the lives we want to live, we are able to be more in touch with our internal feelings. Clear out a space—even if it's just a chair in your home—that feels like a place where you can connect with the Spirit.
Spiritual action: See out the quiet and solace of the temple, a literal white space for you to attend. If your life is too busy for that to be a regular event, take the time to be quiet and still.
Anticipate it
Physical action: Look for it all around you and pay attention to what you want to be more of a focus in your life. You will see more of it when you look for it.
Spiritual action: Trust that God will fill you with peace. He is a God of peace and it is one of his greatest strengths.
Small & Simple Challenge
Take the time to implement these three principles into your life this week. Read even just a little of the Book of Mormon each day to "read the book." Perhaps make your bed every morning as a practice of "carving out white space." Look for Heavenly Father's signs that he is sending you peace and know that it is coming.
Transcript +
Kathryn Davis 00:00 What are you preparing for right now? Are you preparing for dinner or a trip or maybe you're preparing to get all of your crew back to school? Which sometimes seems a little overwhelming. But today we're going to be talking about how to prepare for something a whole lot more fun. We're going to be talking about how to prepare physically and spiritually to receive more peace. Hi, and welcome to Magnify an LDS Living podcast where we cheer, inspire and embolden each other as women and followers of Christ. We hope to use our influence to make a difference in the world. I'm your host, Kathryn Davis, a mom, a seminary teacher, and a grilling enthusiast who loves God. With me today is Brooke Walker. Brooke is the host of the family rules on BYU TV. And if you live in Utah, you might know her as the host of Studio Five. So happy to have you here, Brooke.
Brooke Walker 01:00 I am honored. Kathryn Davis, I am so thrilled. Thanks for having me.
Kathryn Davis 01:03 Before we dive in, we want to get to know you a little bit better with some rapid fire questions. You ready?
Brooke Walker 01:09 Yeah, I think so. You know, I usually ask the questions. So this is a very, I'm feeling a little nervous and insecure. But I'm in your trusted hands. I mean, you're in good hands.
Kathryn Davis 01:17 You'll be great. You host a daily lifestyle show on KSL television, and you share lots of ideas and tips for living a happier and healthier life. So is there one that you've been thinking about lately, or one that you've implemented into your life that really helps?
Brooke Walker 01:34 Oh, my gosh, we share a lot in our our show each and every day. And I've been doing it for going on 18 seasons. So there's a lot of tips floating around in my brain. You know, one thing that shaped me, I don't want to go too sappy or too deep, but I had the opportunity a couple years back, it's been now, to interview Lisa Valentine Clark and her husband, Christopher Clark, who passed away from Lou Gehrig's disease. And I was struck by something that they told me. Lisa observed that when he was diagnosed, Christopher started to be more affectionate in what he shared one to another. And then he got really comfortable with saying I love you to his friends and his buddies and to people that were in his circles. And that really impacted me and so now I write a lot of emails every day, as I'm sure you do, many women do. But I from that point forward, I started to send my emails love. Even my professional emails, love Brooke like no best. No thanks. No sincerely. I started to sign you know, I mean, maybe not to my boss's boss. But in most of my professional correspondences, now, I'm writing love. And I say this because I referenced it. Because just before this conversation, I was sending an email to someone new and I'm like, they're getting the love for me. Like I will try. I appreciated that example of his to share love more openly and more easily. And I do love and appreciate a lot of the people I'm working with and my colleagues and co workers so that came to mind not a tip but more of a practice.
Kathryn Davis 02:57 Okay, if you could only wear one color for the rest of your life. What color would that be? And why?
Brooke Walker 03:04 Easy, it would be a tomato orange, like a red tomato orange. I love vibrant. I'm very colorful. I love color. So I would go I can't say that it's red because I'm a BYU cougar and I bleed blue. But as I said tomato orange is like a reddish orange.
Kathryn Davis 03:22 Okay, if you could interview anyone alive or dead? Who would it be? Oh, my goodness. This was a question that I was really interested in.
Brooke Walker 03:31 Oh, I think from a spiritual sense, knowing that is our theme and vibe today. I would have loved to interview President Hinckley. He was my my prophet, as we say like growing up as a teenager. He was he was my prophet, in those shaping years. And so I he comes to mind. I also think, you know, in lifestyle television, which I've worked in for the past 18 years, we revere Oprah, as the queen of all queens, and I think she would be an interesting person to interview just because she's a masterful interviewer herself. So there's a secular or spiritual. How about that?
Kathryn Davis 04:02 So good. Well, I'm really excited to get to talk with you today. And as you know, as you know, on this season of magnify, we've been discussing the attributes of peacemakers. But today, we're going to take a little turn, and we're going to talk about how to receive more peace in our lives. And you have a really insightful take on peace. And you're proposing that it's something that we can prepare for both spiritually and physically. Yes. What started you thinking about peace as something we can prepare for?
Brooke Walker 04:36 Well, it was actually this talk that you're shaping your theme and your conversations around this "Peacemakers Needed" by President Nelson, he referred to this idea that we need to control our emotions right in order to feel and present ourselves in a peaceful way to feel peace and present ourselves in a peaceful way. And some of the emotions you know that he mentioned, I don't necessarily relate to like I'm not feeling anger in my everyday life or hostility thankfully or contention in my everyday life. But I do sometimes feel like rushed and I feel frantic and I'm tapping my toes to get the, you know the task in front of me done so I can get to the next task. And so I found myself thinking about what allows us to get in this place to first feel peace, because we've got to feel peace if we're going to make peace or present peace or be peaceful. And I found myself thinking about like this natural man, right, these beautiful but flawed physical bodies that we're sent here in. And a lot of ways, in a lot of ways the challenge to like find peace and embody peace goes against the grain of that natural man. There was a quote that I heard, I mean more than a decade ago, but I've clung to it. And I remembered it was from Elder Eyring, President Eyring. And he said, There's greatness in greater harmony between our physical and spiritual selves. And so as I thought about this, like, ultimately, peace, we know comes from living the gospel of Jesus Christ, that is our ultimate source of peace. But for me, at least, there's this small and temporal catch, like we have, we have to live that gospel and keep our covenants in this mortal state. And so for me, it requires sort of this self mastery to overcome the natural man, you know, our physical minds, our physical bodies, and let our spirit ultimately be in charge of what's happening. But that takes some preparation for me as a woman, a busy wife, and mother. And, you know, as I work and I balance as we all do, and juggle that takes some physical preparation too, like to get my physical self in order to align my natural man in a way that allows my spirit to step forward and really be in charge of my existence here on this mortal journey. So it does become this balance, like this two sided coin like I physically need to prepare for peace, in order to spiritually feel the peace that President Nelson is asking us to feel.
Kathryn Davis 06:40 Well, it's what we've been told in the Doctrine and Covenants that both the spirit and the body make up the soul. Yeah, so it's trying to get both of those to align. I love how Elder Eyring said that "in beautiful harmony."
Brooke Walker 06:55 Right? Right. It becomes this companion, this tandem effort and journey. And we often talk about like spirit mastery, in reference to fasting, right? That's what I was taught as a young woman, like part of fasting is the spirit showing the body who's in charge. But so many modern day trials come down to that, like, am I going to allow my spirit? Am I going to align my physical body, my physical self, my physical desires, my physical temptations? Am I going to let my spirit ultimately be in control? And for me that that's where peace lies in that balance and that harmony as President Eyring described it.
Kathryn Davis 07:25 Well, you've identified three ways we can prepare ourselves for peace. The first way you said is to read the book to read the book. Yeah. What do you mean by that?
brooke 07:35 So with each of these ideas, there's sort of a physical action and there's a spiritual action and read the book kind of draws upon. It's a play on words, but it draws upon an experience I had many, many years ago, a professional experience where I was going to interview, a celebrity author, a well known personality, no name dropping here, but they had written a book, and they were stopping in Salt Lake City. And they, you know, set up a situation an opportunity where all of these reporters to come to the same hotel, we line up in the hallway, we each get five to 10 minutes, like a little junket, of sorts. And so I was waiting outside for my turn to go in and interview. And I was seated next to a colleague, someone from a rival television station, who I didn't know well, but wasn't exactly given me the warm fuzzies you know what I mean, Kathryn? And so we're sitting there. And in my lap was the book that this individual had written that we were about to talk about, and, and the person next to me leaned over and said, kind of condescending. Oh, cute. You read the book, because my book was dog eared and written and the pages were crumbled. And, and that's how I operate. I do read the book, like authors know, when they come on my show, they're not going to be asked, Why did you write the book, I'm going to go to page 67. And I'm going to extract a thought or an idea or a follow up question. And in that moment, I kind of felt a little sheepish and silly and insecure, like part of TV is kind of just going with it and faking it. But I owned it. And I said, I did read the book, and I loved it. And so I bring that up as a way to prepare for peace, because I think there's something to be said about doing the work. No shortcuts, you know, no hacks. I mean, we live in this world where thoughtful preparation is sort of shortchanged, like we're seeking off seeking out shortcuts, or we're brushing off shortcomings, or looking for the latest hack, or though I think there is such wisdom and ultimately such peace in like doing the work and reading the book and throwing yourself into an activity. And I listen, I like you. I'm a busy mom, and I'm trying to get things done too. So yeah, give me cake from a box, give me dinner from a box, give me dry shampoo. But I think there are times when like thoughtful preparation really matters, like throwing yourself into the effort or the work or the challenge in a slow paced, steady way, allowing it to work over you. I think peace comes from that preparation. So read the book. The spiritual application of that...
Kathryn Davis 09:52 That's what I was gonna ask you about that spiritual application.
Brooke Walker 09:56 I mean, read the book, read the book, read the Book of Mormon, right? We're told that over and over that peace comes from the pages of the Book of Mormon. And I preaching to myself, I'm taking a dose of my own medicine here because a constant, you know, disciplined pattern of scripture study has not always been my strong suit. And it's something I'm still constantly trying to fit in and work in and settle into. But I interviewed President Camille Johnson last October, and I was so struck with something she said, I asked her something about, the question was around the idea of Listen, women are busy, what's one thing we can do today to you know, find peace, to strengthen our testimonies to build ourselves up one little thing and in the hurry, scurry of our lives? And her answer was so impressive to me, in part because it was so instantaneous, and it was so passionate. She said, this, read the Book of Mormon, every single day, it has the power to comfort us to warm our souls and to provide us with peace. For the women out there looking to do one thing today, she said, open the book. So I think there's a physical application, there's a spiritual application, do the work. You know, a lot of times I sit in Sunday school and think we're so good at listening to other people who have read the book, talk about it, you know, from podcast. I mean, there's so many great resources out there to enhance our study, but like, are we actually reading the book?
Kathryn Davis 11:08 Yeah, I've thought so much about that. Especially because I'm obviously I love podcasts. And so sometimes I would listen to podcasts before I would go into the Scriptures. And I thought, I need to just go into the scriptures and see what the Spirit teaches me and do the work myself and then supplement where needed. But I think sometimes you're right, we're looking for the quick fix, or the easy way. And we've got to get into the book. I love that.
Brooke Walker 11:38 Read the book. It's one way that I find you know, there's that physical and spiritual preparation for peace.
Kathryn Davis 11:44 So next you say we need to carve out white space. What is white space?
Brooke Walker 11:50 Okay, so white space... again, physical and spiritual application here, but white space is, you know, we have to look at our surroundings, at least I find it's helpful to look at my surroundings and make sure that they're, they're peaceful. Elder Jeffrey Holland counseled us to cultivate and be where the Spirit of the Lord is, and make sure that includes your home. For me, you know, I'm not counting pillows here on anyone's sofa or bed. But for me, there's like a physical piece that can come from a simplified space. I come from a proud line of educators. My mom and my sister were both just brilliant, creative, sparkly, fun, elementary school teachers. And so many of our summers have been spent preparing their classrooms and they do these, they did these darling themes. And I remember one year we were doing a circus theme in my sister's kindergarten classroom. And so I was striping the walls with red and white stripes, there were balloons and clowns. And my sister and my mom started to get after me day after day, because I spent a lot of my time kind of clucking, around the classroom, making piles and cleaning off tables now that can you just get the job done before you clean up. But I think there's something about that simplified white space around us like giving yourself that physical breathing room. We know our surroundings affect how we feel we know our surroundings research shows affects how we act. And so I think creating that white space physically does something for me as I'm trying to bring peace into my home, as Elder Holland advises us to do, and peace to my family. And the spiritual side of that is is pretty obvious as well, but like seek out the white space. I think there's a reason why the temple is often quoted as such a jolt and charge of peace in our lives. And I think it's also you know, we're not used to quiet like, like, I'll walk down the aisles of the grocery store. And there's so many people with ear pods in just strolling aisle six, right as they, as they fill their cart. And I think sometimes, you know, young people often will say I'm a little uncomfortable in the temple, it doesn't feel, you know, it doesn't immediately feel comfortable. And I think part of that is the silence, like we're not used to the stillness, we're not used to the quiet.
Kathryn Davis 13:48 So Brooke, let me ask you, what if you feel like you can't carve out white space? Like, let's talk first physically, what if you feel like you live with a number of other people, children or, or a husband? And I'm not speaking from experience at all? Not at all. Who are messy or there's clutter everywhere? Like where would you start to physically carve out a white space?
Brooke Walker 14:17 I would say pick one space? Is that a chair for you in your room? Is that a corner where you are cracking open the Scriptures? Is that a section of the kitchen counter where people your teenagers are gathering and collecting and talking and sharing with you at the end of the day? Like just find one little space in your home That can be that that that corner or that nook of peace for you? Listen, I've got four kids under eight so I get the clutter I get the clutter game and clutter is happiness in a lot of ways, right? It represents a busy, you know, full hustling home. But I think finding at least one area or two areas of your home that feel calm to you. Those are the places I gravitate to when I need that piece or when I need that recharge.
Kathryn Davis 14:58 And I love that idea of a scripture chair. Yeah, that you mentioned, I had that when my kids were really little, just one, one spot where I felt like that is where I could go. And it was just a chair.
Brooke Walker 15:09 We have, you know, it's formerly known as what the visiting teaching room, there's always a room, it seems in a house with a piano or a formal couch that we really never go into. My husband goes in hours all the time. And at first, it kind of bothered me, like, please don't mess with the pillows. They're the only perfect in there. Please don't touch. But I've actually come to appreciate that, like, he goes in there and the kids will find him. And that's where these little conversations happen, or these little cuddle moments or so I think using those spaces as well, those more formal spaces in informal ways is another way to find that peaceful place for you.
Kathryn Davis 15:09 Well, what about spiritually speaking, how if your life is pretty chaotic and busy? What are simple, easy ways that we could carve out spiritual white space?
Brooke Walker 15:55 One of my places for spiritual white space is the car and I know this is maybe an obvious one. But every morning on the way into the studio, I'm listening to a conference talk. It's kind of my daily meditation. I listen to you sometimes too, Kathyn, on the way and I love listening to this podcast, and hearing women share their testimonies here too. But I think even finding unconventional, you know, unusual places to capture it. It doesn't have to be formal, it doesn't have to be designated. Of course, it's nice when we can carve out a couple of hours to go to the house of the Lord and feel the intense white space that that's waiting for us there. But I think as Elder Holland challenged, even our homes can provide these little nooks or these little opportunities for white space. Or for peace.
Kathryn Davis 16:38 Mine, especially when my kids were little, and on my mission, my mission president said find a place where you can be alone, and I thought I there's nowhere I have this companion with me all the time where am I supposed to be alone? And so I went into the bathroom, and I could close the door. And that became a personal haven for me. And it continued with young kids like I could close the door even though their fingers might be sticking underneath the door at times. Yeah, it was still just a moment. Yeah, where I could find, I love how you said that, white space.
Brooke Walker 17:11 Yeah, physical and spiritual. We need more white space.
Kathryn Davis 17:14 So good. Okay, the third way you say we can prepare for peace is to anticipate it. Now this sounds really fun to me. What do you mean by anticipate it and how do we do it?
Brooke Walker 17:26 Well, here's what we know. God keeps His promises. God keeps His promises and he has promised us peace. So I think from a physical standpoint, I think we have to be looking for it. What you pay attention to expands. And I host a show, as you mentioned, on BYUtv called "Family Rules," and we get a chance to travel the country and kind of peek in on families. The idea is no family is perfect, but every family has one little thing they're doing well or getting right. And there was a family a couple seasons ago from Mesa, Arizona who jumped out at me. They had six or seven kids under the age of 10. I mean, they're really young, busy family. I know we all take deep breaths, right? You know what that means? But this mom was really intentional about choosing to find peace, like even in the chaos in the busy throes of family life. She would look for it on the daily and I think again, what we look for, we can expect to find. Now on the other side of that I recently talked to a woman who is a newly minted empty nester. And she's experiencing the opposite. She's experiencing a lot of calm and quiet. And she very tenderly and tearfully told me that's not feeling peaceful to her either. Like she desperately misses, you know, the busy chaos that she was so used to. And so I think it's important to recognize that peace and quiet aren't always bound together. In fact, photographer and writer Mark Mabry once said Peace doesn't always mean quiet, and quiet doesn't always mean peace. But no matter the noise level, I think we can anticipate peace in our lives. If we look for it like looking at our seasons and our rhythms, where in my day to day can I anticipate peace and welcome it?
Kathryn Davis 19:05 So today Brooke where have you anticipated peace or where will you anticipate peace?
Brooke Walker 19:13 You know, peace is small and it can be fleeting the car right in I listened to a devotional that was peace. My chubby little two year old wrapping her arms around my neck before I left for the studio this morning. That was peace. I hope you don't mind me sharing, Kathryn, you offered a beautiful prayer before our conversation today that was peace. And I think recognizing it you know, I feel similarly about looking for God's love in our life. Like if we start to look for it in all the little ways, it adds up in profound ways over the course of even just a day. So it's the small and simple ways and at night as I lay in bed I like to kind of go through a highlight reel of my day and think where was the peace where was the love? because it all kind of lands heavy at the end of the night. But as you look for those little deposits, you'll find your bank account is so full and you are so rich of these peace pockets. If we're just anticipating them, and being open to them in our busy lives.
Kathryn Davis 20:05 I believe that, that you find what you look for. Yeah. So if we're looking for peace, if we're looking for God's hand, we will see it and we'll begin to see it more. But I think it's interesting that you said you have to review it at night. Because do you always notice it in the moment? Or do you have to sometimes play it back?
Brooke Walker 20:25 It's that pace, right? It's that pace of our world. And it's the demands on us that are so multi layered and multifaceted. That sometimes in the moment, you don't always see it or feel it. But I think reflection is a powerful tool. I think reflection is a tool we can use to drum up this piece or to draw on the spirit at the end of the day and say, No, it was there. It was there. And the more we look for it, I think the easier it is to see it in the moment day to day, hopefully that grows and that muscle, you know, those lenses get sharper and stronger as we look for it and look back on it.
Kathryn Davis 20:52 Well, I think it's helpful to remember to what you said earlier is that God is a promise keeper. Yeah, he keeps his promise and he has promised us that we are entitled to peace. Yeah, in fact, President Nelson said this God lives Jesus is the Christ. He stands at the head of this church. We are His servants. He will help us to become his peacemakers. Brooke, how do you find ways to trust that God will bring you peace?
Brooke Walker 21:19 It's in words, it's an actions. You know, the same conference that that President Nelson gave this this landmark address, President Eyring also gave a beautiful companion sermon. And I think I think it was called Finding personal peace. And in his talk, he referred to peace as a miracle. And I remember at the time, I thought, well, that's a little dramatic to call peace, a miracle. But truly, really, I started to think about it and our world is so fast paced and so demanding, and so noisy, that it does feel like peace is a miracle, and sometimes trusting that it will come through it through that noise and through that, you know, hustle and bustle does feel like a really grand gift. And I think ultimately, you know, we're sent here to be more like our Heavenly Father, I have to think peace, I like to think of peace anyway, as one of his shining standout characteristics like he is a peaceful god, he's a peaceful father. And you know, we're experiencing a somewhat of a tender health crisis in our family right now. My brother in law was recently diagnosed with a late stage cancer. And I have marveled watching him and my sister, you know, with one foot solidly in faith, they're being very bold in what they ask of our loving Heavenly Father, the other foot is solidly placed in reality, knowing the diagnosis and, and what lies ahead. And they actually don't know a lot is the catch. They don't know a lot. There's a lot of question marks, the doctors don't know a lot. But one thing they know. And this is what I've marveled in watching both of them navigate this trial together is they know and expect God will provide peace. So when you ask, Where's the trust, the trust sometimes comes in that extension of faith when we're put in situations or scenarios, where we might question it for a minute. But I've watched them just boldly press forward and anticipate, you know, they don't know a lot, but they can anticipate that we will feel peace in this journey, no matter where it takes us no matter when or how it ends. And I admire them for that. I think that is the ultimate demonstration of faith and trust in Heavenly Father and knowing that he has promised us many things. But among those things, peace, he's promised us peace. And it might not, it might not, you know, we might not feel it in its fullness today. We might not feel it in as fullness tomorrow. But the miracle of peace as President Eyring described it, the miracle of peace is promised to us. And so expecting it and trusting that it will ultimately come, I think is part of our faith experience here on this earth.
Kathryn Davis 23:33 So Brooke, when is a time that you felt peace, even in an unpeaceful situation?
Brooke Walker 23:40 Hmm, oh, that's so good. And we could point to sacrament meeting with a two year old and a four year old and a six year old. You know, there's those moments, I guess, it goes to peace, not always being quiet. I also think back to a time if I'm dipping into the archives in my late 20s, where I was in the dating pool for way too long, Miss Kathryn. And there was loneliness in that right? And sometimes I think that that quiet going back to that quiet isn't always peace. It's hard to sometimes feel peace when you're feeling an emptiness or a void. And that applies to a lot of different scenarios and situations. But I remember one particular Sunday where I wasn't able to get home for a family dinner to my parents house. And I didn't have any sort of social or friend gathering to go to. My little townhouse that I occupied as a single, late 20 Something was feeling really eerie and not peaceful. And I offered a simple prayer in the moment I wasn't even kneeling. It wasn't even formal, but it was kind of a toss up. And within 10 seconds, my doorbell rang. And there was someone at my door to fill that void. And so I think peace, you know, can come in unexpected moments, I think can come and unexpected, you know, facets and quarters of our lives, but it will come. And so it's looking again, for those it's having that expectation and looking for those opportunities and recognizing that piece can take different shapes and forms, but he's promised it and it will be delivered.
Kathryn Davis 24:57 And I think that's such a fun way to look at it right? that anticipate the peace and, and I think of the disciples on the Sea of Galilee when they were trying to row towards Jesus and there was the storms all around and they were rowing and rowing and rowing all night long. And he's, he's on this side, and he's watching. And the peace doesn't come till later until, like the fourth watch of the night. Right? Right. We believe in a fourth watch God that sometimes it takes a while till that peace comes, but the peace is promised and anticipate it and look for it.
Brooke Walker 25:34 Yeah. And again, it came you know, as as we think of Christ, kind of rebuking the waters in Mark where he said, Peace be still, he was speaking to the ocean, but what kind of a passive aggressive nod to his apostles to like, be still be still, I'm here, and peace will come. Peace is in the stillness. Peace is in the trust. Peace is in the faith. Peace is even in the chaos. Peace is there and if we look for it, we can count on it.
Kathryn Davis 25:57 So good. And I think I need to do a better job of anticipating it and carving out that white space for that peace to come.
Brooke Walker 26:05 Me too. It's an ongoing quest.
Kathryn Davis 26:07 Well, Brooke, I have learned so much from you today. And we love to end every episode with a small and simple challenge, something that we can do to apply the things that we've learned into our lives throughout the week. So what is your small and simple challenge for us this week?
Brooke Walker 26:26 Hmm, I will say and we could throw a dart at the board, anything we've talked about. But I would say if we go for that white space, why don't we make our beds? And why don't we open the book, two simple things we can do. Right? Make your bed, open the book, at the end of the day, if you've done nothing else, I guess love your kids, too. We can we can go for a trio. I'm cheating the question. But I think again, it's so small and simple things make your bed that that white space around, you will set the tone for the spirit to take over as we open the book and find promises of peace and power in the peace that those pages hold.
Kathryn Davis 26:58 So good. And it doesn't matter how long you're in that open book, right?
Brooke Walker 27:02 I hope not. Because some nights I'm only a verse or two deep.
Kathryn Davis 27:07 But you're in the book. Yeah. You're leaning in and putting in the effort. I love that.
Brooke Walker 27:13 I'm trying.
Kathryn Davis 27:14 So good. Brooke, thank you so much.
Brooke Walker 27:16 Kathryn, thank you. I adore you. I love the conversations you have here and it really was an honor to be a part of one.
Kathryn Davis 27:29 Brooke had so many great insights and lessons for us to learn but one thing that she said that will stay with me is that we need to read the book that we need to lean into the effort sometimes I think we shy away from effort. But we need to do the effort. Open the book and find the peace. Thank you for being here and hop on over to Instagram at magnify community for more inspiration and conversation. And of course subscribe and listen to the Magnify podcast wherever you get your shows. See you next week.