22. God Never Leaves Us with Reyna Aburto
God never leaves us or turns from us, so how do we bridge the emotional and spiritual gaps that we create that distance ourselves from Him? As women, we all struggle with so many types of pain: death, loneliness, infertility, marriage trouble, wandering children, our own testimonies, mental health… the list goes on. We are promised that God's love will always be there, all we have to do is turn to Him. We can also bring that love into others' lives by trying to be more like the Savior.
“If we turn to the Savior and ask for help, we can receive healing.” — Reyna Aburto
This episode was inspired by a beloved talk from Reyna Aburto in General Conference in October 2019 titled, “Thru Cloud and Sunshine, Lord, Abide with Me!” In it, she shared a personal story about her father’s suicide and her daughter’s mental health issues. It was a revolutionary talk that opened up the discussion around mental health. Kathryn and Reyna open that conversation up even more and discuss with her how we can better understand the principle that God never leaves us.
Links:
Sister Aburto's Talk, "Thru Cloud and Sunshine, Lord, Abide with Me!"
Allow your pains and struggles to refine you.
By turning to God in your moments of pain, you can receive a testimony that he never leaves you.
When you are feeling perhaps that God's love has left you, don't stop praying. He will answer your prayers in time.
As you strive to be more like Jesus Christ, know that you stand by others in their pain and trials just as God stands with you.
Small & Simple Challenge
Remember the promise you make every Sunday as you take the sacrament that you will always remember Jesus Christ. This week, try to remember Him every day, and you will know how to help others.
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Kathryn Davis 00:00 God never leaves us or turns from us. So how do we bridge the emotional and spiritual gaps that we create that distance ourselves from him? Hi, and welcome to magnify an LDS Living podcast where we cheer, inspire and embolden each other as women and followers of Christ. We help to use our influence to make a difference in the world. I'm your host, Kathryn Davis, a mom, a seminary teacher, and a grilling enthusiast who loves God. Today's conversation was inspired by a beloved talk from Reyna Aburto. In general conference in October 2019 titled, through cloud and sunshine, Lord abide with me. She shared a personal story about her father's suicide and her daughter's mental health issues that I remember, it left me feeling so emotional, and so inspired that she could be so vulnerable and real with all of us. Today, we are going to open that conversation up even more and discuss with her how we can better understand the principle that God never leaves us. But before we get into this discussion, you know, it's become a tradition on the Magnify podcast to ask a couple of rapid fire questions so that we can all get to know you a little bit better. Reyna. Are you ready?
Reyna Aburto 01:18 Yes, I think Yeah. Okay.
Kathryn Davis 01:21 We're so excited to have you here with us. And so I just want to ask you a couple questions. The first question, you were born in Nicaragua? What is your favorite dish, or food from your home country that you love to make? Or that you wish you could have right now?
Reyna Aburto 01:37 So I don't know... that's a hard question. Because I like a lot of things from Nicaragua. But I probably say, the fried bananas and fried cheese are my favorite. Do you make those not as often as I should, but I love them. I love them, you fry the bananas, either the plantains actually, you know, they're I'm talking about the big plantains, either, right? Or green. And then you also fry these kinds of cheese that it's not easy to get here in Utah, I will have to get it in California or other places. And then you eat it together with a little salad. I just love it.
Kathryn Davis 02:14 Yum. Okay, here's my second question. You have worked in language translation and the language industry for more than 25 years. What is your favorite part of working in that field?
Reyna Aburto 02:27 I think that I like the fact that you learn, every time you work on a project, you never know what you're going to be translating. It can be from a medical document, to advice about nutrition or anything, and I have done work for the church, and you never know what you're gonna get. But I also think that is knowing and feeling the help of the Spirit. Because sometimes you do put something in there, but you don't you know, that is not the right thing, to just put it in there, just so you can leave it for a day or two, and then you come back. And the spirit guides you. So I think that that happens with any kind of job that we have, that we can feel the spirit if we look for it.
Kathryn Davis 03:07 Oh, I love that. I agree. Hey, my last question is you have children and grandchildren. If there is one thing you hope that they learned from you in this life, what would that one thing be?
Reyna Aburto 03:20 That I really love my Heavenly Father and my Savior, and that I love them. I would really like them to know that.
Kathryn Davis 03:27 I don't think anybody can come into contact with you, Reyna and not know that. Thank you that you love your Heavenly Father.
Reyna Aburto 03:35 thank you so much.
Kathryn Davis 03:36 Well, I feel that when I'm around you, you shared a talk titled after the hymn we mentioned thru cloud and sunshine, Lord abide with me. And it left so many people feeling like it was an answer to some of their prayers. And I know I felt like that because I have many people in my life who have struggled with many things. And I felt like the way you were so open and vulnerable about this topic was for me, not only helpful, but validating that we all go through hard times. And in it, you shared a pretty personal story about some pain you've experienced in your life with your father, and with your daughter. So would you mind sharing a little bit of that story with us?
Reyna Aburto 04:22 Yes, um, what happened is that my dad died by suicide back in 1993. And I have to admit, and I have said this before in other venues, but I was in denial for 26 years, I think, to the point that I didn't even tell my children how he had died. You know, I've always avoided the subject about his death. And again, I think that I was still in denial. But the thing is that as I received an assignment to speak in general conference, I had the feeling that that was a subject that needed to be discussed. I had the feeling and I think that it was, you know, inspiration from the Lord that we needed to open up more about those issues. And so as I was trying to decide and to try to receive that revelation about what I needed to talk about, I kept having this thought, in my mind and in my heart, and even, you know, having conversations with people that they didn't know that I was in this struggle in a way inside me, and I will talk to them and they will bring up the subject, I had the privilege of riding the train to Salt Lake most most days when I had my calling. And I made a lot of people on the train. And I remember that during those weeks in which I was trying to decide the topic, they would talk to me about that. And even when we will go and have meetings with sisters all over the world, in different parts of the world, actually, they would bring up the subject, and sometimes they will say, Are we allowed to talk about depression in relief society? Hmm. And that, you know, for me was a hint. And I, and again, I think it was promptings from the spirit that we needed to be more open about this. And if you think about the timing, you know, I gave that message in October 2019. And I was not the first one in general conference to talk about it. But for some reason, it helped a lot of people. But then a few months later, we started the pandemic. And this created a lot of emotional issues in people. So you can see that the Lord was preparing us so we could be more ready to talk about it. So the thing is that, like I told you before, I was in denial. And as I was writing my message, I finally decided, because I felt that I was prompted to talk about that. I started reading and talking to people and researching about the subject, because I didn't want to sound like I was doing a superficial talk, you know, I wanted to sound like if I knew what I was talking about. So as I was reading material, the subject of suicide will come up. And then I realized that I could not be a hypocrite, I could not talk about that subject without telling people that I had suffered that in my family. So what I did is that I started with my children. This was just a few months before I gave the talk. And I finally told them what had happened. And it was such a beautiful experience. Because it was it was not easy. But as I opened up, and I told them, it was such a healing experience. And we were able to grieve together. We cried, and they hug me and I felt their love. And I finally took a burden out of my shoulders. Because I realized that I needed to talk about my dad, I needed to say what happened, and that I needed to be an instrument in the hands of the Lord to help other people who have probably suffered the same experience or probably could help a family member that could be thinking about that, you know.
Kathryn Davis 07:54 Well, I am so grateful that you follow that prompting, because that is brave to discuss in a general conference talk. And I think vulnerable, I think you opened the door for so many to be able to discuss that openly, without shame. And without trying to hide that. And I love that you said this, you said I have now openly discussed my father's death with my children, and witness the healing that the Savior can give us on both sides of the veil. And I want to know like what healing Have you seen for you and for your children?
Reyna Aburto 08:32 Well, I think that to be honest, we are not totally healed from from our mortal experiences, you know, that are hurting our heart. Yeah, but at least we can look at them with a different lens. I think that complete healing, where we're gonna be totally whole we will probably happen later. And there are so many things that we can overcome in this life. And we can have joy in the middle of our trials. And we can have hope. But that doesn't mean that we don't have the pain still. Like President Nelson said, to take pain out of death, You have to take love out of life. That still I feel if that if we turn to the Savior, if we ask for help to our Heavenly Father, when we are struggling with something. If we ask for help the people around us, we can receive healing, we can see things differently. We can feel joy, we can feel hope for the future. And we can know that regardless of why we have suffered in this life. God is always with us. And as we look back in our life, we can see his hand every day of our life just guiding us supporting us, holding us, lighting the way for us to keep going to find that strength that we need that comes from the Savior and His Atonement. So like I said, we'll still feel the pain a little bit, you know, heart or, or sometimes have a lot of pain, but there is hope. There is hope if we just start to the Savior, and so we turn to people around us so we can help each other.
Kathryn Davis 10:14 I think that's so important to remember is that God doesn't take away the suffering, but the suffering can serve a vital purpose in our lives, that it can sanctify us and help us become who he needs us to become when we turn to him. And I just wonder how has that open dialogue about these difficult topics and conversations? How has that strengthened your testimony that God is always with you?
Reyna Aburto 10:46 Well, I know for sure that he's always with us, because I have felt his strength, you know, to do things that I didn't even imagine that I could do. For me, even speaking in English is not that easy. I still struggle with that. But the Lord has promised us that he will make our weaknesses into into strengths, he will convert them into strengths. And I believe that that is true that as we offer him our weaknesses, our fragile nature, he can give us the strength, yeah, to move on. And again, I think that is a good exercise to look back to look at our life. And remember, those times in which we receive that strength, even though we didn't realize it at the moment and see if he's had.
Kathryn Davis 11:27 So do you think sometimes in the middle of it, it's hard to see his hand, and it's only been in the looking back, that you've been able to see that God was always with you?
Reyna Aburto 11:37 Yes, I think that's sometimes it can be hard. I think that sometimes we could ask ourselves, we could feel alone. And I think we see examples in the scriptures, Joseph Smith, when he was in Liberty jail, he asked Heavenly Father, where he where he was where thou father, and even the Lord on the cross asked in the cross, yes. So we shouldn't feel bad if we have those moments in which we don't feel it. But we need to keep looking for it. Because it's always there, and just pray to our Heavenly Father, for him to let us know that he's by our side. And many times when I have offered that kind of prayer and said, Father, please help me know that you are really there. Someone comes to my door, or someone on the train, or on the street, they come and they tell me something, that there is no way that they knew that I was struggling with that. But I think that many times our prayers are answered to other people. And that's where we need to be aware of those promptings from the Spirit, you know, that when we see a friend with... even a, someone that we don't even know, that may need just to say a word or a smile, or a hug, to let them know that God is there. I think that we all have had experiences like that when we have been that the answer to a prayer, or when someone has been the answer for our prayer.
Kathryn Davis 12:59 Yeah. And I think it's in moments like that, like you mentioned, in your talk, you said nothing that you have experienced can change the eternal truth, that you are His child and that he loves you. And I think so often, though, when we're feeling isolated and alone, sometimes we start to question whether or not God is really there for us. And we think, why is he answering everybody else's prayers and not mine? Have you ever felt like maybe God wasn't answering your prayers? Or what advice would you give to somebody who's really feeling like they're alone, and maybe the heavens are silent?
Reyna Aburto 13:39 I will say, Keep praying to people like that, in that situation, I will tell them, please keep praying. Keep looking towards heaven, looking up and asking for help. I will tell them not to give up and to keep trying. And to talk to someone. We all have someone that is willing to listen is willing to help and just turn to people and tell them where you're suffering and ask them to help you. So you can look at life differently.
Kathryn Davis 14:09 I think sometimes it's so easy to feel like we are the ones who our prayers aren't being heard. We hear all these experiences from other people. And we go to Well, what about mine? And what about my pain? And what about my hurt and why isn't God answering me? And I know I felt that at times where I've wondered if he has heard me and a number of years ago I came across the scripture in Isaiah, it's Isaiah 49 Verse eight, it changed a lot for me it says this thus saith the Lord in an acceptable time have I heard thee; and in the day of salvation have I helped thee; and I will preserve the and give the for a covenant of the people to establish the earth to cause to inherit desolate Heritages. I love that phrase in an acceptable time. I don't know why maybe our prayers are answered right when we need them to, but I know that they will be in an acceptable time, like what you said, if we keep praying, like I think of the woman at the well, and that beautiful conversation with the Savior when he tells her who he is and his ministry, and that she can drink of the living water. And I wonder if part of her thinks, Why weren't you here 20 years ago? Why didn't I get to hear this 20 years ago, so that maybe some of my pain could have been saved or spared? You know, and I think the answer, like what you said earlier is that in an acceptable time, he will manifest to us, but that pain and that suffering, he can use for our benefit.
Reyna Aburto 15:50 Yes, I love that you reference to those scripture stories, because in the scriptures, we can also see that that we have to remember that the scriptures were written in retrospective, you know, many times the stories were written the years after they happened. And it doesn't mean that these were solved in a matter of seconds. Sometimes it takes a seconds to read one verse, and then the next one where we see the resolution of the problem. But it wasn't like that many times it took years for those people, those prophets, I would write in the scriptures to receive an answer. So it's not that magical. You know, many times we do receive answers immediately. Sometimes we receive promptings that help us solve an issue. But sometimes it takes a while. And so if we, if we look at the scriptures, it from that perspective, I think it helps us a lot. It's just like the woman with the issue of blood, you know that she had been going through that for 12 years. And can you imagine? and she spent over money in doctors, she was rejected. She was considered unclean, and rejected by people. It took her all that time to finally find the Savior and to receive healing from him. But you know, we all have a different story. And we should not compare ourselves with others, because we don't really know the burden that they're carrying. As you get to know people, you realize that they're carrying a burden, too. And sometimes we think that other people have perfect lives. We don't, that is not the truth. They either have a struggle right now, or they had it in the past. And that's why it's good to open up with each other, you know, to be vulnerable. And to tell our stories, of course, following the spirit, I think that sometimes we make go to that extreme and overshare, you know, but if we follow the Spirit, then we are vulnerable, then people will also open up and they will realize that we are all of the same boat, that we are just trying to live this life the best we can and we can receive help from heaven. When we look for it. God is always there for us just a prayer away, just a thought away.
Kathryn Davis 17:52 I think that's really important. Like you even mentioned, Joseph Smith, when he is told by the Lord, if thou art called to pass through tribulation, if by enemies fall upon thee, if thou should be cast into the pit, into the deep, know thou that all these things shall give the experience and shall be for thy good. And I think sometimes that's a difficult concept and reality to accept that they shall be for our good sometimes when we feel like we're cast into the pit. What are ways that you try to remember the Lord?
Reyna Aburto 18:35 I tried to force myself, you know, because sometimes that's the last thing that we think about what we are in the middle of something really hard. Just try to force myself to remember him. And we make that that promise every week during sacrament meeting, you know, those beautiful sacrament prayers that we hear twice a week, as we partake of the sacrament, that we are telling Heavenly Father, that we are willing. I think it's significant that we say that we are willing, it doesn't mean that we are going to do 100%, because we are human beings and we forget. I forget, but we are telling Heavenly Father that we are willing to take upon ourselves the name of the Lord, to always remember him and to keep His commandments. And so I think that if we just try to keep that promise, to try to remember him and to try to keep his commandments, again, we're saying we are willing. What is the promise that we receive in return? That we are going to have His Spirit with us. So the spirit is always with us, if we are trying to do those things. If we are really trying to take upon ourselves his name, to remember him and to keep His commandments. The promise is there. Even when we don't feel it, the spirit is always there for us. And so I try to force myself I try to remember the promise that I made us a few days ago, and I try to remember the Savior. I think that one of the best ways to get to know Him is by reading the scriptures. As we read the scriptures, we get to know Jesus Christ better. Those beautiful verses that you reading Isaiah, they remind us that the Lord Is there that he has the power to help us that he is willing to help us, that's what I tried to do. Just remember him, go to the scriptures and try to find hope in there. And every time I do that, there is always something that is related to what I'm going through. And he brings light, peace to my life, and hope also.
Kathryn Davis 20:21 For me, a really helpful practices when I'm feeling that discouragement, or that sorrow is to look back and see where I've seen God's hand in my life. Because if I can remember those times, then I know what's going to happen in the future. And I can trust that He is a God of miracles, and a God who answers our prayers. And for me, it's really helpful to look for evidences that God loves me.
Reyna Aburto 20:49 Yes, yes, that's another exercise.
Kathryn Davis 20:52 Have you done that? Do you do that?
Reyna Aburto 20:54 I try. Yes, I tried to force myself to just look around and see all the miracles. Yes, you know, even a flower, it's a miracle.
Kathryn Davis 21:04 It is, and a sunset or a clear blue sky, that is evidence to me that God loves me, yes, for sure. I love what you said, I have to force myself, to see those. And to remind myself of those.
Reyna Aburto 21:18 Yes, another thing that happens also when we go through hard times is that we change. With the help of the Lord, we become stronger, and then we will also feel more empathy towards other people. And then he can use us, you know, as instruments in his hands to help others. And that is something that also we need to again look back and realize how much we have grown, how much stronger we are, because of him because of the strength that we have received through him. And they were able to help other people.
Kathryn Davis 21:51 You keep mentioning that, through some of your difficult experiences, it has taught you that the Lord has never left you and that he is always there. And it's been probably a lot of your experiences with mental health have taught you this. And I think there are so many women out there with so many types of pain, whether that's death, or loneliness, or infertility or marriage trouble or worrying about their children or their own testimony, I think the list goes on and on. And on. To me one of the most profound lines in your talk. And what has stuck with me so much is is you say your struggles do not define you. But they can refine you. What do you mean by that?
Reyna Aburto 22:38 Well, that sometimes we want to label ourselves, you know, we are good at labeling. And President Nelson and President Oaks. And President Ballard. They have talked about this. And I just love how they have helped us realize that many times we label ourselves, you know, the fact that I went through a divorce, or you know, I had a family member who died by suicide, or that I suffer from something, then I labeled myself or we label other people. But I think that we should avoid those labels. And of course, they probably describe something that happened to us our reality. But they don't need to define us. Because we can be better, we can be better. And we need to be careful. You know how we see other people, we need to be careful not to label them and to believe them, when they tell us that they are in pain that they are suffering. If someone breaks a bone, and they tell me that it hurts, I believe them. So I need to do the same thing for someone that is suffering from an emotional issue, even though I have never experienced that I need to believe them. And I need to be a safe person for them. I need to ask them questions and bring them to Christ. You know, helping them see that in Christ, they can do anything, and that he can give them the healing that they need.
Kathryn Davis 23:58 I love that even if we don't understand their pain, if I haven't experienced a mental health issue or a divorce, or whatever that struggle is if I have not experienced that same struggle, how you said even if we personally don't share in it, we can believe them and support them. And how do we find compassion in those moments when we truly don't understand the problem? How do we find compassion?
Reyna Aburto 24:25 I think that we just need to fill our heart with love towards the person. And sometimes we don't really need to say much. I think that's that's something that many times that stops us from helping others and from ministering to others, that we think that we need to have the right words, and we need to say the right thing. But many times we don't even need to say anything. We just need to be there for them and listen to them and just asking them questions so they can go deeper into their heart and try to find a way out. I think that we need to learn to be better listeners. And I'm including myself because I don't think I am. But I think that is something that we can also keep in mind, how can I be a better listener? How can I be a better supporter? How can I be a safe person for someone to open up their heart, and tell me what they're going through, so I can give them a hug, and tell them that God loves them, that they are a child of God. If they look for his help, he's gonna help them. We don't really need to say much, we don't really need to have the answers. We don't need to really be to try to fix anyone,
Kathryn Davis 25:31 Has somebody been there for you and just listened? Or have you been able to sit with somebody and just listen to their suffering and love them through it?
Reyna Aburto 25:42 Yes, I have had people who have been there to listen to me. Many times in my life, even I remember just recently after I had received my calling, in the relief society general presidency, just like two weeks later, I went to visit a sister because I was her ministering sister. And as soon as she opened the door, she opened her arms. And she said, How are you feeling? And she embraced me. And at that moment, I felt so vulnerable. And I just started crying on her shoulder. And I said, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know if I can do this. You know, that was early in my calling, and she was there just to listen to me, she would she let me cry and tell her I don't know, I don't know if I can do this. But then she just gave me another hug. And, and that was all I needed. When other people have come to me, I have really tried to remember that I should not try to fix them, that I should not try to solve their problem. I could give them support, I can tell them about resources that they can look for. I can tell them to the Lord, read a scripture with them. I can tell them how much I love them and how much God loves them. But I cannot fix them. We should not try to fix anybody, because that's not our role.
Kathryn Davis 26:59 Right? It's only Jesus's job. Yes,
Reyna Aburto 27:03 He is our Savior. He's the one that we need to turn to, to receive healing and to, to be saved and to become whole, because that's what he's gonna do with us.
Kathryn Davis 27:14 Yeah, you also said this in your talk, which I think you have become such a good example of this. You said, when we open up about our emotional challenges, admitting we are not perfect, we give others permission to share their struggles. Together, we realize there is hope, and we do not have to suffer alone. And even I think your opening up about this at General Conference, I think it's allowed so many people to be able to open up about their struggles, and that we are really in this together.
Reyna Aburto 27:47 I really believe that it was the Lord who put those words and thoughts in my heart. I think it was him that really inspired me to talk about that, and that he is the one that wanted us to be ready to talk about those things. I think that what we need to do is to start the conversations, you know, to start from our dining tables, when we are together with with family members or with friends, or anywhere you are, you know, at work at school, and your communities, just start the conversations, and just help people realize that they don't have to suffer alone, that they have us by their side, but most of most importantly, that they have a heavenly Father who loves them, because they are their children. And that, that they can come to Christ and receive of his love of his healing of his peace of his light. That's That's what I think you know that the Lord wanted us to start having those conversations. I don't think he was me. I think I was just an instrument in his hand to start those conversations and to just show love to each other in a better way.
Kathryn Davis 29:00 I wonder Reyna, you said you were in denial for 26 years. And then being able to be open with your children and with your family. If that brought a sense of understanding and feeling of God's love more in your life and in your children's life, because you were able to talk about it and be open about it.
Reyna Aburto 29:24 Yes, I receive some measure of love and comfort. As I opened up with my family and with other people. Again, I still feel that there is pain. And I'm really looking forward to the time when I see my father again and I can give him a hug and ask him for forgiveness. Because I didn't realize how much he was suffering when he made that decision. But but at the same time I have felt that measure of healing. You know, to realize that we cannot change the past that I cannot go back and change it. But I can do something about that pain that I feel, and I can be more sensitive to other people. And I can give them a hug when they are suffering, tell them how much God loves them. And that they should not suffer alone, that there is always hope. There is always light and love around us that we just need to turn and look for it and ask for it. And then we're going to get that piece and that help that we need from heaven and from the people around us if we really talk to them,
Kathryn Davis 30:28 and that whatever it is we're experiencing or struggling with, that we can trust, like it says in the doctrine, covenants, that all shall be for thy good that the suffering you've experienced and gone through can be for your good and for my good, and that he can increase our compassion. I love how you said this. Let us follow the Savior's path and increase our compassion, diminish our tendency to judge and stop being the inspectors of the spirituality of others. Love that. If that can be one of the lessons that God wants us to learn in our own struggles. Is that to increase our compassion and diminish our judgment?
Reyna Aburto 31:12 Yes, I think that we need to be more compassionate to each other, even to ourselves. Sometimes we are hard with ourselves too. So we need to start with us. And then with others. And a lot this invitation from the Lord in the October 22 General Conference, it was mentioned so many times that I think that there is a reason why but I love that it's found in Matthew 11, from the Lord. And he says come unto me all day that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and ye shall find rest to your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. We take that yoke, when we make covenants, we are yoked with the Savior, and he can actually give us rest. We don't have to carry our burdens ourselves. We can let him carry them with us. And he can give us that rest that only He can give. And that's something that I have felt it over and over in my life through the things that I have gone through to the hard times. And through the good times to he has always been there with me. And I can testify of that. Because I know that he has been there. I have felt his hand I have felt his love. And when I look back, I can see that he was he was there always.
Kathryn Davis 32:33 And I think because you have felt his hand and his love. You are more likely and more able to be his hand or others.
Reyna Aburto 32:45 Oh, I think that's a prayer that we will have given to heaven. Right? We have our asked Heavenly Father to help us be his hands.
Kathryn Davis 32:53 Yeah, Reyna, I have loved our conversation. And here on magnify, we like to end every episode with a small and simple invitation, something we can do throughout the week to implement some of the things that we've heard and some of the things that we felt. So I want to ask you, what is your small and simple invitation for us to stand with others in their struggles and in their pain?
Reyna Aburto 33:19 I will say just to remember that promise that we have given on the last Sabbath. That we promised Heavenly Father that we will remember his Son always. So I will invite you to everyday remember the Savior, remember his words, remember his teachings, remember that he loves us. And he's willing to to help us in every circumstance. So just remember the Savior. That will be my invitation.
Kathryn Davis 33:46 I will do that this week. I'm so appreciative that you took some time to be here with us today to teach us thank you so much for being here.
Reyna Aburto 33:55 It's been a privilege. Thank you for inviting me.
Kathryn Davis 33:58 I have loved today's discussion. I think it's a common feeling to think that when we have pains or struggles we aren't fitting into some perfect imaginary mold. But I think Reina has shown us and taught us that we don't have to fit into a mold, and that God's love is going to be there and available for us in our darkest times and in our hardest moments, and that he truly can use that for our good and help refine us so that we can reach out to others. We are so glad and so grateful for today's conversation. Hop on over to Instagram at magnify community for more inspiration and conversation. And of course subscribe and listen to the Magnify podcast wherever you get your shows. We'll see you again next week.